winners/losers

[magnus]

You know, I actually think that Bell and Hayward will be an upgrade over Korver and Matthews. I mean lets be perfectly honest here, neither Korver or Matthews were anything to write home about, they were both servicable players with very notable weaknesses, and neither of them was that much better than Miles last year. All Bell has to do is stay healthy and he is as good or better than Matthews was last year in every way + he gives you the added bonus of veteran toughness and consistencey that has been lacking in the backcourt since Fisher left. Korver was a one trick pony, he shot the freaking lights out last year but once again that was pretty much all he did. So all Hayward has to do is shoot well enough from the 3 pt line to be a threat (35% ought to do it) rebound a little, play a little D, and bring some instant energy off the bench and I'd say that is an upgrade, but even if he doesn't do any of that we still have Miles who as I said before is just as good as Korver.

So while it's not a major upgrade, I say it's still more than likely an upgrade. I kind of hedge a little there because there are three fairly significant unkowns, Bells injuries, Matthews new team and sophmore slump/bump, and Haywards NBA worthieness. Depending on how those chips fall the pendulum could swing to either huge upgrade or big down grade compared to what we could have had with Matthews and Korver.

[trollificusv2]

Originally Posted by wsu1232

As a community we have decided not to respond to skiier posts. He is our local jackass, but you are of course, free to engage him if you like.

JR sounds sharp enough to figure skiier out pretty quick.

And yeah, the Jazz appeared to have been just " treading water"...BUT...

a) Didn't let things get out of hand in the last year of being weighed down by the "AK anchor".

b) Stayed at least level coming off a 53-win, 2nd round season.

c) Milsapp will contribute more with more playing time.

d) AK might...MIGHT have his best season in 5 years. Contract year, no Boozer...yeah, he SHOULD be more productive.

e) Hayward's going to be fine. Trust me. (it's the ball-handling, hide and watch)

f) Miles might...MIGHT continue his thus-far slow and bumpy improvement.

g) If Milsapp replaces most of Boozer's contribution, and Jefferson is BETTER than Boozer, and Okur comes back...how is our frontline NOT hugely improved??

h) Jazz are set to make more moves next year.

Somebody wants to try and make a doomsday scenario out of this, or claim no progress, fine. *shrugs* I think the Jazz are set to continue to compete at a high level. Championship? Probably not. You could go root for the Heat or the Lakers if you think YOU get a ring if your team wins it all.

[Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by trollificusv2

JR sounds sharp enough to figure skiier out pretty quick.

And yeah, the Jazz appeared to have been just " treading water"...BUT...

a) Didn't let things get out of hand in the last year of being weighed down by the "AK anchor".

b) Stayed at least level coming off a 53-win, 2nd round season.

c) Milsapp will contribute more with more playing time.

d) AK might...MIGHT have his best season in 5 years. Contract year, no Boozer...yeah, he SHOULD be more productive.

e) Hayward's going to be fine. Trust me. (it's the ball-handling, hide and watch)

f) Miles might...MIGHT continue his thus-far slow and bumpy improvement.

g) If Milsapp replaces most of Boozer's contribution, and Jefferson is BETTER than Boozer, and Okur comes back...how is our frontline NOT hugely improved??

h) Jazz are set to make more moves next year.

Somebody wants to try and make a doomsday scenario out of this, or claim no progress, fine. *shrugs* I think the Jazz are set to continue to compete at a high level. Championship? Probably not. You could go root for the Heat or the Lakers if you think YOU get a ring if your team wins it all.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[ptaz66]

Originally Posted by trollificusv2

JR sounds sharp enough to figure skiier out pretty quick.

And yeah, the Jazz appeared to have been just " treading water"...BUT...

a) Didn't let things get out of hand in the last year of being weighed down by the "AK anchor".

b) Stayed at least level coming off a 53-win, 2nd round season.

c) Milsapp will contribute more with more playing time.

d) AK might...MIGHT have his best season in 5 years. Contract year, no Boozer...yeah, he SHOULD be more productive.

e) Hayward's going to be fine. Trust me. (it's the ball-handling, hide and watch)

f) Miles might...MIGHT continue his thus-far slow and bumpy improvement.

g) If Milsapp replaces most of Boozer's contribution, and Jefferson is BETTER than Boozer, and Okur comes back...how is our frontline NOT hugely improved??

h) Jazz are set to make more moves next year.

Somebody wants to try and make a doomsday scenario out of this, or claim no progress, fine. *shrugs* I think the Jazz are set to continue to compete at a high level. Championship? Probably not. You could go root for the Heat or the Lakers if you think YOU get a ring if your team wins it all.

I agree, barring injuries, which could create problems for any team, Lakers and Heat included.

You mean the ring from the Box of Cracker Jacks I buy at a Jazz Game each year doesn't count, even if they win it all? Now I'm seriously depressed.

[trollificusv2]

Originally Posted by ptaz66

I agree, barring injuries, which could create problems for any team, Lakers and Heat included.

You mean the ring from the Box of Cracker Jacks I buy at a Jazz Game each year doesn't count, even if they win it all? Now I'm seriously depressed.

No, no, that counts, totally counts.

Hell, if the Jazz ever win it all, everything becomes a championship memento...my Championship Tennies, Championship Shorts, Championship Water Bottle, Championship "Suck THAT Stern!" Expression...everything.

[Kenngo1969]

Originally Posted by Nomo4me

For effort and good fortune, yes. But overall they traded Boozer, Korver and Mathews for Jefferson, Hayward and Bell.

It's about a wash, and crossing fingers that 2 of the pieces stay healthy.

You're crossing your fingers that two of the players coming in stay healthy? Yeah, I can see that; I mean, it's not like Carlos Boozer missed (m)any games while he was here. Oh, wait . . .

[skiier]

Originally Posted by Kenngo1969

You're crossing your fingers that two of the players coming in stay healthy? Yeah, I can see that; I mean, it's not like Carlos Boozer missed (m)any games while he was here. Oh, wait . . .

Two players coming off injuries as well as two other jazz players coming off consisten injuries leave way to many questions for me to wonder if this team can hang tough and stay healthty in a long and brutal season. Like I say to many questions still for the jazz.

Steve Smith said "The jazz look good on paper,but have several health issues and still did not address more fire power outside.

[magnus]

Originally Posted by skiier

Two players coming off injuries as well as two other jazz players coming off consisten injuries leave way to many questions for me to wonder if this team can hang tough and stay healthty in a long and brutal season. Like I say to many questions still for the jazz.

Steve Smith said "The jazz look good on paper,but have several health issues and still did not address more fire power outside.

Don't need as much firepower outside when you 1) have D-Will, and 2) score more points in the paint than any other team in the NBA.

[Ace82]

Let's look at a perspective of the Utah Jazz beyond this season.

The Lakers have 1 more year where they will be by far the best in the west. Phil retires. Kobe is getting old. Their run is over after this year.

That leaves the Western Conference wide the heck open. As a matter of fact, the 2 most promising teams are small market... Utah and OKC.

Jazz are not gonna win the championship this year. Our best case scenario is WCF for the experience and lose to the Lakers... again.

But, after that... the Jazz have money to spend.... and the Lakers aren't in charge anymore... The future looks good my friends.

[JazzRican]

Originally Posted by trollificusv2

JR sounds sharp enough to figure skiier out pretty quick.

And yeah, the Jazz appeared to have been just " treading water"...BUT...

a) Didn't let things get out of hand in the last year of being weighed down by the "AK anchor".

b) Stayed at least level coming off a 53-win, 2nd round season.

c) Milsapp will contribute more with more playing time.

d) AK might...MIGHT have his best season in 5 years. Contract year, no Boozer...yeah, he SHOULD be more productive.

e) Hayward's going to be fine. Trust me. (it's the ball-handling, hide and watch)

f) Miles might...MIGHT continue his thus-far slow and bumpy improvement.

g) If Milsapp replaces most of Boozer's contribution, and Jefferson is BETTER than Boozer, and Okur comes back...how is our frontline NOT hugely improved??

h) Jazz are set to make more moves next year.

Somebody wants to try and make a doomsday scenario out of this, or claim no progress, fine. *shrugs* I think the Jazz are set to continue to compete at a high level. Championship? Probably not. You could go root for the Heat or the Lakers if you think YOU get a ring if your team wins it all.

Well said, amazingly said if i might add.